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good morning and welcome to nasa's

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johnson space center for today's mission

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status briefing of the sts-134 space

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shuttle mission to the international

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space station we'll start with some

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opening comments and then take questions

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from reporters for our comments and

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updates today we have the lead space

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station flight director of the mission

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derek hossman

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seated next to derek is dr samuel ting

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the principal investigator of the alpha

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and next to dr ting is mark sustiling

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the ams program manager from nasa

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headquarters so i'll turn it over to

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derek okay thanks colin kylie and good

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morning to everyone

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it's a it's a pleasure to be here to

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talk to you after what was an amazing

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day in space

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as everyone knows that the number one

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objective on flight day four today was

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alpha magnetic spectrometer removed from

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the shuttle payload bay and installed on

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the space station and i'm happy to

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report that that

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that activity was

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performed absolutely flawlessly by the

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we used the the space shuttle

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uh robotic arm to remove the payload

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from uh remove ams from the shuttle

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payload bay maneuver maneuvered ams to a

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pre-planned hand-off position

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at that point we paused there had the

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actually the 134 crew on station using

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payload we released it with the shuttle

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at that point once the installation and

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the attachment was complete we applied

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power and uh handed over the payload to

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professor ting and his team to start the

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initial activation and checkout so just

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an amazing day it was um

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it was a rewarding thing to watch the

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the uh both the crews on orbit and uh

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the ground teams execute those

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activities today which again went very

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very smooth and and very very well and

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it's just an honor for me and my team to

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be uh be a part of that and and to

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contribute in a small way uh to to

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getting ams to space station and uh

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before i hand over to professor ting to

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talk about uh the details and uh what

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he's seen so far i'll just uh look ahead

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to tomorrow um what what the the crew

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was doing on space station as i left the

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mission control was prepping for

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tomorrow's uh spacewalk will be eva one

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which will be the first spacewalk plan

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by this time i expect that uh drew

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feustel and greg shamatoff will be

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buttoned up in the airlocks starting the

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uh the camp out in preparation for

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tomorrow's eba so we're looking forward

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to that as well

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and uh with that i'll hand over to

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professor ting

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good morning

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i'm samuel ting the principal

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investigator of ms experiment

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coming together with me today

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is professor stephen schael

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the director of the best physical

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institute in germany

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who made a tremendous contribution

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to the ms experiment

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and professor andreas cantin

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former director of one of the oldest

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from from bologna they also

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let me remind you the detector has 300

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not a single wire was broken

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to our understanding of the origin of

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every one of the elements we did one

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to learn how to communicate with nasa

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all right my name is mark cecili i'm the

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nasa ams program manager and have been

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so for the last since 1994.

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from a nasa agency perspective this is a

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major historic day

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because in a very real sense okay

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a science voyage of discovery into our

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galaxy and beyond has started today from

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its partnership with the u.s department

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of energy which has sponsored this

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nasa to have a world-class science

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who are among the best engineers in the

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efforts of many other good people here

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at the johnson space center and at the

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kennedy space center okay we were able

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to achieve what we did today okay

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seth bernstein associated press uh first

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early but you and you did get you know a

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none of them are surprising but

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are are all the results you're getting

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space and therefore it is extremely

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routine tasks are the most priorities

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the ability to get done or most worried

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put put the crew in a spacesuit and send

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them outside there's there's risk

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involved but

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we understand how to do that and we do

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it well and we manage the risk

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appropriately but uh eba one

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the the first thing that we get to right

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out the door are the dod missi payloads

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which are going to be installed

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externally on the space station truss

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where we are retrieving a missy that was

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flown previously and it's reached the

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end of its life and it's going to be

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brought down to be studied and we're

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deploying two additional misses in

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addition to that work uh we are setting

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up for

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a top off or a refill if you will of one

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of the cooling loops on the outside of

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the space station where the ammonia

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cooling loops

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so

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you know i won't say it's easy but all

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the tasks

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are relatively straightforward

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and although i worry about everything

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there's nothing in particular on eva

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eba1

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that i'm more worried about than the

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others it we did talk before but on eba

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2 as the follow-on to the ammonia refill

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task we actually actuate quick

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disconnects that

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on lines that have ammonia pressurized

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ammonia and these are the quick

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disconnects that we've had challenges

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with in the past we've had

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issues with them leaking and sticking

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and that sort of thing so you know

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looking ahead at all the evas i would

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say that that would be the area of most

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concern would be the work with those

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clara moscowitz with space.com and uh

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two questions for dr ting first the two

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particles that you mentioned today are

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those particles that

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instruments on the earth can see or are

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they only visible in space above the

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atmosphere by an instrument like ams

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on earth

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you can produce these particles in

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accelerators in man-made accelerators

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but on earth you are not able to measure

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this particle

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from space because they will be absorbed

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by earth's atmosphere so to see the

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the cosmic rays of this energy

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and

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this mass you really have to go to space

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and my second question is if there was

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no international space station could

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there be an ams in other words could the

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ams exist free-floating in space

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as you know

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in 2005

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we were removed from the manifest

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so we have looked

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very carefully

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whether there is a

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way we can

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fly

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to put ms

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in space

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but because of the size the precision

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and the power

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required

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and also the rate of data coming down

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it's simply not possible

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to do it with a rocket

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unless you put the billions billions and

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billions

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you need a 2500 watts of power and you

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need a high rate data transpo

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transmission

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you need a large

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platform space station is the ideal

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place

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oh thank you mark caro for aviation week

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i had a couple questions

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kind of housekeeping questions really

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but how soon after

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ams was anchored to the space station

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did you start to see this

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flow of

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particles through the detector

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checked there's no leak rate

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nothing leaked

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i think waiting hours a couple hours two

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or three hours

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thank you

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another housekeeping question if you can

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address this

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what what's the size of your ams cadre

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in houston and how soon will you migrate

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we have collaborators

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total

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in

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houston

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about 60 people

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and

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we will not migrate to cern will return

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return to europe i should say

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and when would you anticipate that would

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be

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our building

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will be finished by june 15th

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and

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because

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we

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there was a shuttle delay

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originally it was the 29th then may 16th

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we hope

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as early as possible

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even though we're aiming at june 15th

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and i think by end of june we'll be gone

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thank you sir yeah what we want to do is

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we when we leave we have a good working

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relationship with johnson space center

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any more questions here

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seth bornstein again one more for dr

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ting

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uh since we're approaching the last

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shuttle flight after this

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a lot has been talked about of you know

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sort of the legacy of the shuttle and

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many people say the legacy of the

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shuttle is not so much the shuttle

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itself but things like hubble and they

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hope ams ii

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um and since you said space station's

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the only place you could have put this

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and i assume shuttle is the only way you

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could have gotten

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you couldn't have used any of the other

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transportation methods

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i was wondering if you might tell me a

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bit about how important the shuttle

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program is for you especially since

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you've been one of the few who's been on

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it kicked off of it and back on

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sort of the importance of the legacy of

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the shuttle to you

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without a shuttle

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i think you would not be

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possible

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to do an

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experiment

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and for a duration of 20 years

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and collect

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terabytes of data

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micro energies to trilling electron vote

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you send it simply at least i would not

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know how to do it and i think my

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thank you we'll take questions from the

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phone bridge now we have marcia done

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please

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yes hi can you hear me yes we can yes dr

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king i'm wondering how soon after the

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installation of the spectrometer

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or the detector is all turned on was

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that in a matter of minutes or

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when we were plugged in or connected

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electrically with the space station and

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then waiting an hour

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we were

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checking all the things

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and so within hours we were collecting

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data

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and so it's early in the morning

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i was slightly sleepy so

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so i couldn't tell you it's

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but it was very quick well we had no

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problem whatsoever

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thank you and did i understand you to

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say earlier that already you have

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registered thousands of particles

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passing through your device we have more

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thousands and thousands of second

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signatures already

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thank you that's all thank you very much

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okay next on the line is irene claus

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i am screaming with reuters can hear me

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irene are you still there

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yes can you hear me okay yes

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hi thanks very much um i have a couple

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questions um

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for uh mr sistely is there still going

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to be nasa budget for ams support is

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there anything that nasa needs to pay

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the major part of the ams budget we

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clearly spent getting ready for this

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launch

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we have a much much smaller budget plan

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for the

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the post launch time period to provide

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operational support to professors teams

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team here in houston as well as at cern

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but it's considerably smaller than what

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we've been spending today we spent to

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date

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since 1999 about 85 million dollars on

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ams unique costs as far as integrating

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on the shuttle and the space station

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leading up to the day

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uh beyond this day our costs uh through

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the next several years will probably be

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on the orbit perhaps another 10 million

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dollars so it's much much smaller

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thanks very much and uh for professor

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ting i'm sorry if i missed this but is

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there also a calibration period that ams

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will need to go through before you would

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say that it's in its uh kind of full

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so far

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the data we have seen

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is based on the calibration we have done

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underground it shows all the detectors

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of function

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we have built in alignment system

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and built in calibration we were

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constantly

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self-calibrating the detector all the

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okay thank you and um

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could you maybe just describe a little

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bit about what happens with the ams data

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where does it go once it's relayed like

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through the tdrs satellite and through

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the nasa system um is it going to

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like individual

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science team member institutions or does

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everything go first to cern and

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the data will come to marshall

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and then

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now comes to johnson space center after

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end of june

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you will go to cern

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and from cern you will go to

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for analysis

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thanks and my last question for you is

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the um this has been quite a roller

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coaster ride since uh ams 01 was

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first unveiled and

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if you could maybe just talk a little

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bit about what sort of if you had a

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sense of relief to see it

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up um finally up on station uh was it

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worth

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all the uh

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the the the headaches and the uh what it

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took for you to keep this team together

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form the team keep it together and and

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i don't have headaches

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but unfortunately my wife sometimes has

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headaches

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what is worth it or not

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it's hard to say

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all i can say is we enter into a region

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nobody has entered before

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what we're going to see nobody knows so

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we

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explore

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unknown region

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so whatever we see

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because of the position because of the

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energy will reach

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a certain will contribute

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to understand to a better understanding

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next on the line is james dean

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thank you this is james dean from

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florida today

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uh with a question for for derek and a

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couple for dr tang um

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derek i just wonder if you might have

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any updates on the status of the tps

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analysis

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uh i do not my focus over the last 10 or

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12 hours has been flight day 4 and ams

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installing the events that that followed

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that in the timeline

582
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,480
i believe you have a briefing later

583
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,640
today from leroy kane and i expect that

584
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,640
he'll have the the latest on the tps

585
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,880
analysis

586
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,360
okay thanks uh dr ting

587
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,880
uh mentioned to the

588
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,320
the crew in your remarks that this had

589
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,120
been a difficult experiment

590
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,960
why has it been so difficult and what

591
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,559
what has been the most difficult part

592
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,480
has it been the technology or the

593
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,360
political aspect of it

594
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:56,080
uh it's hard to compare

595
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,029
certainly

596
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,080
we have tried the best

597
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,559
to build the most

598
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,320
precise detector

599
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:13,200
we can accomplish

600
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,279
and the translation radiation detector

601
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:19,440
that was built under

602
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,710
we have done in such a way

603
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,640
the leak rate

604
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,159
is five

605
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,120
micrograms per second

606
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,720
and the

607
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,279
they're two meters long tubes

608
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,320
and filled with xenon and co2 co2 of

609
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,720
course it's extremely difficult to

610
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,600
contain that's why coca-cola never lasts

611
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,679
for a long time

612
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,400
but

613
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,120
the people in aachen

614
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,520
was able to were able to build this

615
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:55,279
detector

616
00:26:03,269 --> 00:25:59,600
would

617
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:03,279
stay active for 30 years

618
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,640
and the detector built in bologna and

619
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,720
the professor canteen

620
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,600
with multi redundancy and measure the

621
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,720
time

622
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,799
to 160

623
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,400
picoseconds

624
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,799
and they saw really

625
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,559
what we try to do is

626
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,120
to the limit of

627
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,039
of abilities people

628
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:27,600
normally do in accelerators

629
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,200
we try to keep that position but do it

630
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,029
and i i just wanted to ask i'm afraid i

631
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,720
might be mischaracterizing something you

632
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,720
said earlier but you described how i

633
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,400
believe he said that um

634
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,679
trying to find

635
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,159
antimatter would be like

636
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,840
picking a single

637
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,320
drop out of a rainstorm

638
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:52,559
a single drop of a different color

639
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,950
the process of

640
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
facing you for finding the the most

641
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,440
difficult things dark matter antimatter

642
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:05,600
is it a one in billion sort of chance of

643
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,600
finding those things or is that um not

644
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,480
really

645
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,919
the right reflection of

646
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,320
youtube it is to find these things

647
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:15,360
okay

648
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,830
one

649
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,080
in a building

650
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:25,279
means

651
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,559
you have

652
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,159
multi-redundancy

653
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,480
you have self calibration

654
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,640
and the important thing

655
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,919
is

656
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,760
always know

657
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,919
how how you detect

658
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,000
behave

659
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,840
in my youth

660
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,159
i have done two or three

661
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,000
similar experiments

662
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,480
including the one i was awarded the

663
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,919
nobel prize

664
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,320
and that was a really also difficult

665
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,679
experiment

666
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,360
but nothing

667
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,520
compared to the experiment

668
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,200
we're doing now

669
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,880
the difference

670
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,760
is

671
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,480
experimenting accelerators if something

672
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,159
something goes wrong

673
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,640
you can go to fix it or if you don't

674
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,600
want to you can send a student

675
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,200
but in space you can send nobody

676
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:16,960
and so

677
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,919
this detector ams has many redundancies

678
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,399
and mainly self-checking

679
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,080
to make sure everything behave properly

680
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:30,559
to keep it for 20 years

681
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,149
okay next on the line is bill harwood

682
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,559
yes thanks i've got uh one for professor

683
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,880
ting if i could um you know the one

684
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,720
question i get asked professor

685
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,480
frequently about ams aside from the

686
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,640
science is is what makes something like

687
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,039
this cost as much as it did and i

688
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,039
realized that you could talk for days

689
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,120
about how that breakdown works but is

690
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,039
there some way to to tell the average

691
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,840
reader why a machine like this cost two

692
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,320
billion dollars to build to test to get

693
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:09,120
up into space thanks

694
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,080
why

695
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,200
i do not know

696
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,080
the calculation of cost in a large

697
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,039
international collaboration

698
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,440
spending across the globe

699
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,080
is not exactly easy

700
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,240
we have

701
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,960
people from the far east

702
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,679
and people in europe

703
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,320
people in mexico

704
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:36,799
people in united states

705
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:40,960
the labor costs are not exactly the same

706
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:43,600
or different countries

707
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:47,919
and so to estimate this

708
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:51,039
is way beyond my ability

709
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:51,919
and

710
00:30:02,789 --> 00:29:58,549
nasa

711
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,799
made an estimate based on the available

712
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,200
people and the laboratory we have the

713
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:06,720
specular build

714
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:11,120
and the test equipment we have to build

715
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,240
the

716
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:14,559
new buildings we have to build

717
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,159
material we have bought and how many

718
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,520
professors how many students how many

719
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,399
technicians add them up

720
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,120
in nasa's way of counting and this is

721
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:28,720
how we gradually

722
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,590
thanks and if i could ask one more um

723
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,039
you've mentioned frequently whenever you

724
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,880
talk about ams that

725
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,640
that no physicist worth of salt will

726
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,240
make a prediction about what something

727
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,919
might find then you've always stressed

728
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,520
that it's the unknown

729
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,559
uh that you're really looking forward to

730
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,399
can can you elaborate just a little bit

731
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,480
on on the unknowns i know you don't know

732
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,840
what you're going to see but i mean the

733
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,240
excitement of going after something that

734
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,240
no one's ever looked at before

735
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,840
with an instrument of the precision that

736
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,720
you guys have built

737
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,039
just your general mood going into this

738
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,720
because of of the chance to see

739
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,960
something new thank you

740
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:09,840
well

741
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:13,200
it's really rather difficult for me to

742
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,909
i only want to mention

743
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:22,640
if you look the history of accelerators

744
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,559
in united states and europe

745
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,240
home

746
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,320
in the 60s the highest energy

747
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,679
accelerator

748
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,760
were built at cern

749
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,640
and built at brookhaven

750
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,600
and their original purpose was to study

751
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,279
nuclear force

752
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:43,519
and what was discovered

753
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,640
was a new type of quarks breakdown

754
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:48,640
fundamental symmetry

755
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,230
in that in the 60s in the

756
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,200
in the 70s a very large accelerator was

757
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,679
built in united states in fermi national

758
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,880
laboratory

759
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,360
the original purpose was to study

760
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:07,679
something called neutrino physics

761
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,960
what was discovered was the fifth

762
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:12,240
and sixth

763
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,640
type of quarks in stanford

764
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,519
in 1970s

765
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,039
united states built a very very powerful

766
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,279
electron position

767
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,720
collider

768
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,519
the original purpose was to study

769
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,519
the quantum

770
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,919
property of electricity what was

771
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,960
discovered was the fourth core the third

772
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:38,720
type of

773
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,039
and particles inside the protons

774
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
so when you

775
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,480
build something

776
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,679
new you ask the best physicist

777
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,399
to tell you what you can see but the

778
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,480
best physicist

779
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,440
of course base their judgment on

780
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,760
existing knowledge

781
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:04,880
discovery is something new is

782
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,000
go beyond the existing knowledge

783
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,600
that's why it's difficult to predict

784
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:13,600
just to

785
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,159
it's really not that interesting

786
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:22,720
it is go beyond the theory that's how

787
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,269
okay that must be all on the line are

788
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,590
clara moskowitz again for space.com and

789
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,919
this is a question for both of you ams

790
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,399
scientists um and project manager if you

791
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,000
could talk about just this morning your

792
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,320
emotions while the robotic operations

793
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,080
were going on i understand that it was

794
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:49,919
somewhat complicated and did you have

795
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,909
for me not

796
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,029
about my european collaborators

797
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,720
were up all night watching them

798
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,159
so i had no i have no doubt

799
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,839
they were

800
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:11,679
they would be successful because i've

801
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,550
well for myself like professor said

802
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,119
earlier we were all very tired but i

803
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,960
think we marvel at the precision that

804
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,960
the way everything went

805
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,520
after all the years of doing engineering

806
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,520
and things going wrong or being tough or

807
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,919
whatever when it finally came time to

808
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,399
install the space station

809
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,119
it just went very very well it really

810
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,159
did as professor ting said a moment ago

811
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,720
when it came time to activate the ams we

812
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,720
were activated within hours

813
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,879
and no major incidents all the detectors

814
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,359
came up uh

815
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,790
being happy about it seeing it's finally

816
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,040
starting to work when we started looking

817
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:59,119
at these particle tracks a few a few

818
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,240
hours ago

819
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,640
i was very very impressive yeah it's

820
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,560
it's terrific science

821
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,800
and it's it's making it all very much

822
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,359
really worthwhile

823
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,200
let me just add

824
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,839
uh to mrs what mr

825
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,200
steli said

826
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,440
we had no major

827
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:19,520
issue

828
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,510
okay any other follow-ups

829
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,119
seeing them we'll go ahead and conclude

830
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,119
this briefing with a few uh programming

831
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,839
notes coming up at 2 pm central time

832
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,599
will be the video file which shows the

833
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,280
compilation of newsworthy items from

834
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,880
across the agency

835
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,960
at 3 p.m that briefing that will follow

836
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
the mission management team meeting will

837
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,400
air on nasa television

838
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,720
and at 4 pm we'll begin showing the

839
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,119
video highlights from flight day 4. so

840
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
with that we'll send it back to michigan

841
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,400
troll as the crew members wrap up their